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Originally posted by Red Five Red Five wrote:

The interview was a bit vague and not all that well-worded, but it didn't sound so much like, "We're not Christians anymore," as it did, "We've come to a place where we're experiencing some doubt." I think there's an important difference between those two things.

That's true. Either way though I don't think I'd consider them a Christian band anymore. But every one else seems to, so that's got me confused. It is very vague. Hopefully there will be another interview someday that states things clearer.
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Originally posted by Zakuvawltraydz Zakuvawltraydz wrote:

Last I heard about Bless The Fall was when a friend of mine told me that the lead singer & another member left & the new lead singer was a muslim & they weren't a christian band anymore. Was that true?? I'm pretty confused about who's who.

    
Not true whatsoever. Craig Mabbit, their old singer, is a Christian, and Beau (their current singer) is a Christian as well. To my knowledge, all of the members are Christians. They don't curse at their live shows (to my knowledge), and back in the myspace days, Beau talked about God on his myspace page.



And yes, Beau is engaged to Lights...I sure do wish I was engaged to Lights. :/
See, that's kind of a confusing issue. They have a video from their album Witness, I can't remember which song, but it pretty much plays out like a version of the movie The Hangover. When I saw that, I was turned off.

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Between the video and that occurrence, I thought they has gone away from Christian music, but after their new album's songs "Meet Me at the Gates," and "'till the Death of Me," are pretty openly Christian.
 
Oh, and for the record, the band we are discussing is named blessthefall.
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Originally posted by glahoiten glahoiten wrote:

Well, it's not unique to her. Anberlin, Switchfoot, Relient K, etc, all have similar responses. I think when they say they don't want to be a "Christian" band, they mean they don't want to be an exclusively "Christian" band, or a band that specifically tries to cater to a Christian audience, which is what it means to some people. It's kinda confusing though. The meaning probably varies by the context of the comment, and oftentimes interviewers don't probe too deeply into what the artist means.


Totally get that, but here's what confuses me: Anberlin, Switchfoot, and Relient K don't just say they want to be in both markets, they actually do it. They tour with mainstream bands, play secular festivals like the Warped Tour, give interviews to mainstream publications, sign to mainstream labels that will get their album mainstream audiences (even Relient K at least got a distribution deal with labels like Capitol and Columbia). They make the effort to ensure that they're present in both markets.
Icon For Hire, on the other, has toured with maybe one secular band, Jamie's Elsewhere (and even them I'm not sure about), is signed to the guaranteed-to-get-you-noticed-in-the-Christian-market Tooth & Nail when they could have easily signed or co-signed to a secular label (or even Fugitive Recordings, T&N's secular sublabel), and have gotten 95 percent of their coverage and publicity (that I've seen) from Christian sites. Granted, they're a new band and probably don't have much clout yet, but I'm sure if they wanted to, they could have easily established a connection with the secular market.
All I'm saying is, it seems a little hypocritical to give the whole "we're not a Christian band, just Christians in a band" spiel when you're not even trying to reach out to the secular market. Just sayin'.
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I personally can see why bands would do the "not necessarily a christian band" thing, but glahoiten has a pretty good point. It's definitely odd for IFH to do that. I don't mind if a band says they're not a 'christian band' as long as they're not ashamed of Christ. But it is also nice to see a band that wants to be identified with the christian market. It helps christian music to have good bands willing to call themselves 'christian bands'.
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Originally posted by dandaman25 dandaman25 wrote:

I've got some i'm confused about:
We Came As Romans
Attack Attack!
A Day To Remember
To Speak of Wolves

We Came As Romans is considered a Christian band by many, and I believe all members are Christian.
Attack Attack! used to be comprised of some Christian members and some non-Christian members when they first started out, at that time their lyricist was a Christian, however since then all Christian member have left the band and their lyrics now contain profanity, they used to be a Christian band (for their first album, "Someday Came Suddenly") however they are no longer.
A Day To Remember is not a Christian band.
To Speak of Wolves is a Christian band.
Originally posted by Naitomea4664 Naitomea4664 wrote:

is the band hundredth a christian band?

Yes
Originally posted by blahh blahh wrote:

La Dispute?

Ok, so I did use the search feature and I didn't really find anything on this band. I am wondering if the members of La Dispute are Christian? Some songs reference God so I am wondering. They are great, and positive at least.... But idk if the members are Christian.......

My best guess is that they are Christian, check out the lyrics to the song "I See Everything" here: http://www.lyricsmania.com/i_see_everything_lyrics_la_dispute.html
The end of it seems like a faith struggle, but most of it points pretty obviously to God.

Also, I would like to know if these bands are Christian:
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I don't see that we can really rely on lyrics to determine if a band is Christian or not? If someone is a Christian and they are doing what Gods word told us to do then their faith should be evident in what they say and do.

I know, we have beat this horse to death for years now. It's sad that we have to search and search and search and hope that we can find a tiny bit of Jesus in a song to hope they are a Christian band.
 
Hostage Calm -

I read about a dozen different interviews with them and cannot find anything that mentions being a Christian or mentions Jesus. They are vegans(don't eat meat). I don't see any profanity in their interviews. I found this one question where they explain what they are about.

The band has gained a reputation for being a very switched on band in terms of lyrics, is this something the band deliberately tries to achieve?

Thank you, and we definitely devote a lot of time and effort to the lyric-writing process. Addressing social and political issues is something that is important to us as people and by extension is a key part of our identity as a band. As the singer, Chris writes a vast majority of the lyrics. During writing for the S/T LP, after we had some skeletons of songs, we really opened up the editing process. On one tour, we all had printed out lyrics sheets and clipboards and we sat in the van poring over words and phrases until ultimately we ended up with something we were all happy with.

If they were Christians it seems they would mention it somewhere?
 
 
 
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No...I could not even make it through the reading of two interviews without reading all the profanity.
 
 
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Interviews should be a good sign. Lyrics should be a good sign too but not always because some secular bands use religious imagery for the imagery, and some Christian bands stray away from using "Christianese" to be more relatable (or cause that's how they talk, like me lol). So someone may pick up on something that isn't there or miss something that is (I've done both). Interviews, especially ones where the question itself is asked, I think would be the best thing to go on if you can't tell just from the lyrics.

Quote All I'm saying is, it seems a little hypocritical to give the whole "we're not a Christian band, just Christians in a band" spiel when you're not even trying to reach out to the secular market. Just sayin'.

I agree. I'm not faulting the bands for it or anything, it's just something that confuses me.
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Sorry for the bump, but I'm curious about The Smoking Popes.

I know Josh Caterer converted back in 1997/98 (and Destination Failure has 'I Know You Love Me' about Jesus) but I don't know anything about the other members so I'm not sure if they're considered a Christian band or not. As far as I know Josh writes all the songs, but there's little information about them out there.

I know their side-band Duvall has more overt Christian messages, however.
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How about Emerosa? I'm liking their sound, but can't tell if they're a "Christian Band" or "Christians in a band."
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Originally posted by Glen Hawk Glen Hawk wrote:

How about Emerosa? I'm liking their sound, but can't tell if they're a "Christian Band" or "Christians in a band."


I just read about a half dozen interviews and cannot find anything mentioning being a Christian, Jesus or anything related to Christianity.
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Red Jumpsuit Apparatus? I know they've been asked before and the answer was no, IIRC, but I noticed their new single being played on a Christian station so I was wondering if anything changed. Not a fan or anything, just confused.
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Originally posted by johntheumfreak johntheumfreak wrote:

Red Jumpsuit Apparatus? I know they've been asked before and the answer was no, IIRC, but I noticed their new single being played on a Christian station so I was wondering if anything changed. Not a fan or anything, just confused.
I'm thinking they are now. Very confusing though. They're playing at a Christian venue in my city this August, and they're on Radio U now, so I'm guessing so. "Don't You Fake It" has a pretty good worship song on it (Misery Loves Its Company).
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Okay, thanks. Well if I had to guess, I'd say it might be related to changes in label/distro/management, but I don't know enough to know if that's actually the case. Or maybe the band just decided they wanted to start releasing to those formats themselves.
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Is to speak of wolves a christian band I heard that theye are not christian but just sing about positive things but I have also heard that theye are christian and I have seen there album at mardels?
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^ Above post merged with this existing thread. Thanks for understanding.

Yes they are considered Christian artists and we have a profile for them here on this site. Here is the link:


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Originally posted by METALMAN METALMAN wrote:

Is to speak of wolves a christian band I heard that theye are not christian but just sing about positive things but I have also heard that theye are christian and I have seen there album at mardels?


I would guess they are. Their last album was put out by Solid State records which has a history of putting out Christian hardcore/metal/metalcore albums. Their current lead singer is the former merch guy for Oh, Sleeper which is a Christian band. If I had to make an educated guess I would consider them a Christian band.

They also appear on the JFH artist list page which is another indicator.
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We Came As Romans isn't a Christian band. I hear To Speak of Wolves is(was supposed to play at Kingdom Bound festival 2012, but was replaced by Hello Kelly at the last minute). I always have a funny feeling about Anberlin.
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Originally posted by newsboys10 newsboys10 wrote:

We Came As Romans isn't a Christian band. I hear To Speak of Wolves is(was supposed to play at Kingdom Bound festival 2012, but was replaced by Hello Kelly at the last minute). I always have a funny feeling about Anberlin.
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To Speak Of Wolves is definitely a Christian band. They have an interview with XXX church on the organization's page. As for Anberlin, I think they still show fruit. They did an interview here with JFH a few months ago if I recall, and Stephen always has advocated "know who you are before you tour", so I'd assume, but I'm not sure.
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I was wondering about the bands Of Mice and Men and also Issues tried looking them up on google and couldn't really get a definitive answer either way.
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Originally posted by 9ersfan33 9ersfan33 wrote:

I was wondering about the bands Of Mice and Men and also Issues..



Hi there and welcome. "Of Mice and Men" is not a Christian band, but their lead singer Austin Carlile is outspoken about his Christian beliefs. You can use a web-based search engine to get more information; it is definitely available.

Sorry, could not find anything definitive about The Issues.
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Just out of curiosity, what about Tonight Alive? They're still around apparently but haven't been covered on Christian music sites for a while.
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Does anybody know the current status of Tree63 yet? Supposedly the lead singer lost his faith (I could never find enough info), yet they're getting back together for a new album. But Grammatrain also got back together without their lead singer returning to his faith, so you never know these days.
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^He talked about God in a recent press release so huh idk

Apparently Mattie Montgomery is in a cult?
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That's just what I've heard people are saying, that the church they belong to is a cult or something like that.

I don't know much about the other bands. Last I checked Write This Down were Christians and the lead singer at least of Memphis May Fire was. Icon for Hire as well but, well, I just find their attitudes annoying. They hate having anything to do with Christian music yet they signed with Tooth & Nail so go figure.
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tried to search on here and online, but couldn't find anything. Is Ron Pope a Christian/Christian artist?
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Weird that all the Christian music sites, including JFH, are still covering Underoath and For Today. One's singer isn't a Christian and the other's is in a cult. People used to care about these things.
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Originally posted by johntheumfreak johntheumfreak wrote:

Weird that all the Christian music sites, including JFH, are still covering Underoath and For Today. One's singer isn't a Christian and the other's is in a cult. People used to care about these things.
Yeah, I guess people didn't really notice with Underoath because Aaron Gilespie's overt faith kind of overpowered everything while he was there. That's not a bad thing, obviously, but I'm just saying. 
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JFH will not be covering the new UO album according to some recent discussions. There are a couple of reasons for this, but I will not discuss them on the forum.

While the blog post about Mattie (For Today) was disheartening, I have seen no other proof that he is involved with anything like that.   I hope, more than anything, it was a disgruntled former band member spouting off a bit. There has been nothing to suggest that his faith and /or theology are off. For Today's record will be covered, but we're a little behind the eight ball on it.   Hope that clears some concerns...

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Hey! New member, first reply. So hope this is well placed.

Anyways...Memphis May Fire definitely has a christian lead singer. He also writes the lyrics/message so the music is God inspired. He even has a self titled worship album "Matty Mullins". Write this Down I haven't listened to in a while, but when I was into them a lot I remember them being a christian band. As for Icon For Hire, they are definitely christian individuals. However I don't know how "christian" they're music is. Their latest single even includes curse words, but they are still part of the family and have christian perspectives to offer on their life experiences. As for Ivoryline I actually don't know anything about them.
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Originally posted by MxWx MxWx wrote:

JFH will not be covering the new UO album according to some recent discussions. There are a couple of reasons for this, but I will not discuss them on the forum.

While the blog post about Mattie (For Today) was disheartening, I have seen no other proof that he is involved with anything like that.   I hope, more than anything, it was a disgruntled former band member spouting off a bit. There has been nothing to suggest that his faith and /or theology are off. For Today's record will be covered, but we're a little behind the eight ball on it.   Hope that clears some concerns...


Hey! Thanks for replying.
Glad you guys are still discussing stuff. Personally to me the For Today thing seems pretty clear. His church is part of the cult, he's a part of that church, he hasn't denied it, but I only know what I read in the post. There's also some other stuff Mattie has said/done that bother me. But, I'm glad you guys do remember and discuss it. I was getting worried that everyone just blocked it out of their memory.
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Hello, I am new here. First off, let me say that I don't listen to CCM in general.

But one thing I've noticed with a lot of these bands with ambiguous or off-kilter christianity is that they tend to be the ones that have an overt, blatant lack of humility. You know from their lyrics and the attitude they have towards life that they are not really in close relations with God. I struggle with this at times and know how it can be. A lot of them are in this thing called prelest (google the orthodox christian view of this phenomenon). I find it hard to feel moved by bands that try to mingle a jestful and juvenile humor (i.e.;, Five Iron Frenzy, Ghoti Hook, etc.) with effective ministry. Likewise, being a longtime defender that God has no issue with rock (which I still maintain), I have been challenged with the question of to what extent can someone can express the fullness of God's word with a certain type of music without it being molded or even dilluted by the mood. It seems some styles of music are almost inherently tied to some kind of theme because of the emotions it envokes. There are situations where I believe that, even in the most sincere of expressions, there will always be certain music that does better at complimenting the lyrics than others. Rock and Metal culture are often like this and always have been. There have been christians who have written songs that express pain or anger towards life or towards someone else but never identify or point to Jesus as healer. Simply expressing these things on their own doesn't make them wholesome. Anger in that gratuitous sense is fleshly and I've never seen anything good come from it spiritually.

I hate to say it, but Christian music, or rather the Christian music industry, harmed me spiritually during my teenage years which was a dark time for me emotionally but thankfully is mostly remembered as a blur. The idea of being fed fake christian music for spiritual nourishment was part of the things that left me spiritually confused as a youth. That was when we subscribed to a horrible christian cable network (SkyAngel) that boardcast a multitude of heresies. Prosperity gospel everywhere and other abominations. CCM in general never inspired me to love God, either. It wasn't until the last 5 years or so that I really began to understand things in a deeper light. Honestly, there were some groups that did have 'Christian' lyrics mentioning Jesus that still came off to me as corny because they were so poorly executed artistically. I eventually found Japanese music and branched out into international stuff. I avoided CCM like the plague not just because of the reasons mentioned, but also because most of the artists sounded like mainstream groups here in the West that I despised. My parents raised us listening to CCM but it was the good stuff like Carman, Crystal Lewis, Stephen Curtis Chapman, and so forth. I remember my parents chiding Christian artists for not being any different from secular ones. I prefer to listen to quality mainstream music from other countries that are more conservative and not using sleazy gimmicks to sell songs. I know a swedish musician who said he finds modern American pop music disgusting because of how oversexualized much of it is and that he also preferred Japanese music (which did have some popularity in Sweden at the time). Lately, I'm falling in love with Michael W. Smith's "Go West Young Man" album, as its very much like the South Korean 80's pop I've been listening to lately.

In relation to the topic, though. I heard Philips Craig and Dean listed as Christian; from what I know their lyrics seem biblically sound but from what I remember there was a member who is part of a church that teaches the Pentecostal Oneness heresy that denies the Trinity. Does anyone know anything about this to confirm?
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Originally posted by Duffany Duffany wrote:

In relation to the topic, though. I heard Philips Craig and Dean listed as Christian; from what I know their lyrics seem biblically sound but from what I remember there was a member who is part of a church that teaches the Pentecostal Oneness heresy that denies the Trinity. Does anyone know anything about this to confirm?

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Phillips, Craig, and Dean are all full time pastors at their respective churches, in addition to being Christian music artists. Here is their statement regarding the issue you asked about:


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 I find it hard to feel moved by bands that try to mingle a jestful and juvenile humor (i.e.;, Five Iron Frenzy
I feel like you haven't paid that close of attention to their lyrics, then. FIF is goofy, but when it comes to their more serious songs, they don't pull punches. The lyrics to those songs are downright uncomfortable in that they frequently (and bluntly) bring to light the failings of the modern church and the Christian as an individual, but they never leave the listener without hope. They also go out of their way to point out that there's always a way back, and that that way back is always God. You're free to have your opinion, and I understand where you're coming from for the most part, but I've always felt that if somebody struggles with the Christian identity of a group like Five Iron Frenzy, then it's not the fault of the band. 
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You're free to have your opinion, and I understand where you're coming from for the most part, but I've always felt that if somebody struggles with the Christian identity of a group like Five Iron Frenzy, then it's not the fault of the band. 

I expected to receive this response and was prepared to reply to it. Understand first and foremost that some of my positions on things like these that I mentioned in my previous post should be taken with a grain of salt, and I don't actually hold to this particular opinion too strongly. Yes, I agree there is a place for it. In fact I believe songs written for entertainment purposes that are void of theological content are acceptable so long as the entertainment falls within a christian moral spectrum. Hard work and play are complimentary, not opposed. When Paul talks about childish things, he is of course talking about spiritual maturity and both hard work and recreational activities can be approached with a spiritually mature or even immature outlook. But having fun is meant to help us emotionally and spiritually regenerate our minds so we can be fit to get back to the hard stuff and the hard stuff magnifies the good in the moments we get to spend in the lighter parts of our lives. It's just that I have often found myself a bit betrayed by artists who used this as an excuse to be spiritually light and then it turns out they really were immature. when you find out they either don't care about Christ or Christianity anymore. He is Legend is one example, probably a better one than FIF or GH, so I apologize if I offended any of the fans of these bands.
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I do have my own issues with FIF and Ghotti Hook, though it's never been the humor.
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Originally posted by johntheumfreak johntheumfreak wrote:

I do have my own issues with FIF and Ghotti Hook, though it's never been the humor.

Let me guess, they did covers of "For those tears I died"? LOL
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Originally posted by johntheumfreak johntheumfreak wrote:

I do have my own issues with FIF and Ghotti Hook, though it's never been the humor.
That does surprise me coming from you. The FIF one, at least. I've heard of Ghoti Hook but I honestly don't know much about them. What's your beef, if I can ask? 
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From me?

Well, FIF when they got back together their message changed to half Christian/half Atheist "Positive", or at least that's what I've gathered from interviews.

I don't know all that much about Ghotti Hook but one of their members (unless I'm confused with a totally different band) started a band called The Calvinists where they sing about how God only loves a select few of us (apologies to any Calvinists here but that's too far for me) and when asked if it was serious he said it was.
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Originally posted by johntheumfreak johntheumfreak wrote:

From me?

Well, FIF when they got back together their message changed to half Christian/half Atheist "Positive", or at least that's what I've gathered from interviews.

I don't know all that much about Ghotti Hook but one of their members (unless I'm confused with a totally different band) started a band called The Calvinists where they sing about how God only loves a select few of us (apologies to any Calvinists here but that's too far for me) and when asked if it was serious he said it was.
Ah, fair enough on the FIF thing. It doesn't bother me any but I understand why it would upset a good few. The Ghoti Hook thing is just bizarre, though o.O
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Originally posted by johntheumfreak johntheumfreak wrote:

From me?

Well, FIF when they got back together their message changed to half Christian/half Atheist "Positive", or at least that's what I've gathered from interviews.

I don't know all that much about Ghotti Hook but one of their members (unless I'm confused with a totally different band) started a band called The Calvinists where they sing about how God only loves a select few of us (apologies to any Calvinists here but that's too far for me) and when asked if it was serious he said it was.

This is exactly my problem with both bands. I was curious as well if the latter was serious but you have just confirmed my suspicions. I don't trust the members of FIF for beans, but I can forgive Ghoti Hook because, although I vehemently reject the Calvinist doctrine, I do believe that Calvinists can still be saved as they still believe in Christ for redemption. Like many false doctrine, it undermines certain aspects of the Christian walk in ways that I don't want to get into to avoid debate, but it's a disagreement that doesn't completely deny repentance. From what I know they still believe the elect are nonetheless subject to redemption apart from works, but there are certain philosophical and theological problems with its five tenants that I have which, like I said, I will not elaborate on for the peace of this forum and I encourage you to do the same.

From what I read of Reese's blog, I don't trust him. He seems to be using the guise of 'feed the hungry, love everyone' to mask rebellion for the sake of being novel and for politically correct, emotionalist reasoning. As he is from Canada, I've heard the culture enforces this attitude a lot and it's mostly false piety. Every point he makes on many of his posts again seems to be rooted in something of that sort. It's disappointing, because I met him years ago at a concert where I saw FIF perform, and he seemed warm, but I read in the book "The Imitation of Christ" to be aware of falsely pious acts of 'charity' that are actually seeking the affirmation of humans over God and are carnal and selfish in nature. Also, some people are too willing to trust other people's motives. He referenced HuffingtonPost as a link on political matters, which almost never says anything good about Christians except posers who compromised their teaching and ministry to be soft and appease popular culture. That leads me to the last thing. He criticized the Westborough Baptist Church in one of his songs, and there is something incredibly suspicious to me on giving priority to it. You see, he likes to parade himself as countercultural, but the Westborough Church being presented as representing the majority of Christians, is in fact, an exaggeration of the media. It is sensational and deserves criticism, but to accept it as being part of Christendom as a general rule is a fantasy created by the media. So it would go against the countercultural facade that Roper is trying to wear. There is a lot of heresy, bad theology, and sin in both Christian culture and the church, but groups as radical as the Westboroughs are not as common or powerful as the media likes people to believe. I don't trust Roper because of this and won't support his 'ministry' as a result. Lastly, he could indeed be rejecting the mainstream media representation while still addressing the WBC simply for the fact that it really is overrepresented and staining the true church, which would make his reasoning behind it more justified, but given the character of a lot of his opinions and such, I still have to be cautious about being too warm to that kind of person.
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So what's up with Young Noah? Listening on Spotify his music is very, how do I say...explicit, sexually and otherwise. But he also just released a song with Audio Adrenaline and is being promoted in the CCM market.
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Originally posted by johntheumfreak johntheumfreak wrote:

So what's up with Young Noah? Listening on Spotify his music is very, how do I say...explicit, sexually and otherwise. But he also just released a song with Audio Adrenaline and is being promoted in the CCM market.

That's too bad. Looking at his social media accounts and reading what lyrics I could get a hold of tells a very different story, so I don't know. He praises, glorifies, and honors God in everything I read. BUT... I didn't listen to him on Spotify so I can't comment on that part.

It's strange sometimes, isn't it? People who are very clearly saved and make a point of telling others about it, yet who make somewhat questionable choices in various areas of their lives (Lenny Kravitz comes to mind, Alice Cooper as well - both are born-again, professing Christians).
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