Over three and a half decades ago, JesusFreakHideout.com's Bert Gangl was at a friend's house ready to get a first listen at the new album by the band that all of his high school friends seemed to be talking about. The year was 1979, the album was Evolution, and its creators were still just over two years away from truly making it big with the release of their 1981 magnum opus, Escape. The band, of course, is Journey, a group who, at the time of this interview, have racked up 18 Top 40 singles, sold more than 50 million albums in the U. S. alone, and are responsible for writing "Don't Stop Believin'," which just happens to be the highest-selling digital classic rock song in history. Bert caught up with long-time keyboardist Jonathan Cain to discuss his earliest musical memories, life before super-stardom and the intriguing path that eventually led him to record his first worship album...
This interview took place on: November 8, 2016.
Jonathan: I was. When I was a kid growing up in the fifties, my father recognized that I had an ear for music. I could sing any song on the Billboard Hit Parade. Believe it or not, though, my first real taste of music came through Gregorian chants. We had a boys group that would sing the chants an octave higher than they were written. It was wonderful. We had a Gothic church where all this Latin music just flowed. It was just real, true worship. I had a love of Jesus Christ very early. My father was a very spiritual man who taught me to pray by the time I was seven. I felt like I had a real connection to Jesus at that time. In fact, I told my parents that I was going to be a priest.
Jonathan: The parish we were involved with had a Catholic school next door, and I started attending the school. Then, we had an awful fire there on December 1, 1958, where we lost 92 children and three nuns. I was only eight years old and my faith was shaken. I felt that my Jesus might have abandoned me. Where was he? I had questions. My father saw this and he said to me, "Son, you were saved from that fire to do great things. I'm going to give you music lessons." So, he took me by the hand to the local music store. I was a little kid and the only thing I could play was an accordion. So, he put the accordion in my hand and I started playing Italian songs -- every Italian song ever written.
Jonathan: My first concert, when I was eight years old, was for a bunch of Italians in the downstairs part of a delicatessen. People in the audience were crying and singing and having these flashbacks to their childhood, and I looked at my father and said, "I changed my mind about the priest thing. I think I want to be a musician!" So, my father started telling people that I was going to be a famous songwriter and play for 10,000 people a night. I'm only ten years old at this time.
Jonathan: It was. The Chicago Conservatory of Music at Roosevelt University. I studied composition, theory, voice and piano. My father told me I was going to be a writer, so I took him seriously.
Jonathan: I was in L.A. at the time. I'd quit playing clubs and was concentrating on songwriting, and an English friend of mine, Robbie Patton, who I was writing with at the time, dared me to go to the auditions at S.I.R. Studios on Sunset Boulevard. I think I ended up going about four times. It took them a month to finally choose somebody.
Jonathan: Yeah. Playing at Madison Square Garden and at the L. A. Coliseum for 100,000 people.
Jonathan: I did. But, even then he said, "This Babys thing is just a stepping stone to the next big thing, Jon." He was convinced that there was something even bigger that God had for me. As it turns out (then-current Journey keyboardist) Gregg Rolie was going to retire and Journey was looking for a new sound. So, I got a phone call from them in the summer of 1980 and they said, "You're coming up here, and you're going to help us make this new album." And, so, I did.
Jonathan: It definitely was. They wanted a new sound, and they trusted me to help craft that, and that's what we did. The five of us really got it together on that record.
Jonathan: I made my second solo album, Back to the Innocence in 1995. Around that time, I was wondering to myself whether or not the guy who wrote (the Top 20 Journey hit) "Faithfully" was still around. I had a sort of minor hit with "I Wish That I Was There with You," which I wrote with John Waite. The song went Top Ten in Tampa, so I'm down in Tampa doing a radio show and I get a call from Steve Perry asking me if I wanted to do another stint with Journey. It was fantastic. We got together in 1995 and wrote 15 great new songs for the Trial by Fire album.
Jonathan: I think they were happy for me. They knew that I had restored my walk with God, through my association with Paula (White, Cain's wife and pastor of New Destiny Christian Center church in Orlando). I'm around the word so much now, it just seeps in. Because of that, I was inspired as a writer, and that's what lead me to this sort of music.
Jonathan: That's right. I called him around the time that I started leading praise and worship at New Destiny. He'd left Journey and I knew that he needed to return to his purpose again. He'd gone through some really rough times and he was just sitting at home, so I rang him up and said, "God told me to call you. Would you help me with this album?" And he did. It was just a natural thing and it was pretty mighty. He'll be my first call when I put my band together. His faith was very strong when I was in Bad English. He would show me scriptures and I was kind of jealous of where he had come to in his relationship with God. I'm just so amazed at how far he's come as a Christian.
Jonathan: Well, it's a natural thing with Paula. We have a deal where we travel together, so I'm on the road with her and there's always scripture there. And I feel like my songwriting is sort of an act of worship for me. The more I write, the more I feel like I'm where I'm supposed to be in my ministry. And we always have time together in church. When she's preaching, I'm listening, and when she's praying, I'm playing keyboards behind her. And I sometimes play a song or two.
Jonathan: You know, it's hard to do that with only one album. I'm going to have to let this log burn on the fire for a bit. That said, I have some offers coming up for the spring. So, if we can string six to twelve shows together, we will do that.
Jonathan: Thank you so much, Bert, for having me. You'll be hearing more from me. I've got more music coming.
Jonathan: Thank you, Bert.
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